我再次来到这里为 @akileshpotti 进行简单易懂的解释。 以下是详细说明: (a) 像 ERC-8004 这样的代理注册表充其量只是一个中等解决方案:链上的注册表是处理代理发现和交互这样复杂事务的无效方式。实际上,它并不好用。 (b) 实际的链上代理:如果你真的想要在区块链上实现“无信任的 AI 代理”,逻辑上的步骤是将 AI 模型和代理作为链本身的核心部分——内置于执行和共识层。这是链上任何人都可以本地且安全地访问它们的方式。@ritualnet 已经构建了这个。一个注册表无法实现这一点(见 (c)) (c) 笨拙的链上/链下桥接不起作用:ERC-8004 是一个粗糙的补丁,用于连接链上和链下系统。我们知道这对用户体验和产品来说是次优的,因为我们在 @ritualnet 几乎两年前就构建了这个确切的模型,使用我们的 Infernet 预言机。这只是一个半解决方案(这就是我们决定确立自己基础设施的原因) (d) 看看谁在真正赚钱:成功的 Web2 代理公司如 @DecagonAI 和 @cursor_ai 并没有使用一些混乱的开放发现市场。他们赚钱的方式是 (1) 重复运行一个强大的代理,或者 (2) 以高度结构化的方式使用一小组固定的代理。“代理将随机发现彼此”的梦想在实践中并不是盈利产品的构建方式(如果这是你的目标) (e) 没有人在解决的难题:从区块链调用代理很简单。真正的挑战是构建正确的基础设施。这意味着: - 可扩展性:避免冗余计算而不妨碍安全性。 - 定价:为这些特定模型/代理构建新颖的费用市场 - 实用性:包括诸如定期交易(想想链上 Cron 作业)等基本功能,使代理真正有用 没有其他 L1 思考过这些问题或构建解决所有这些问题的基础设施。只有 @ritualnet。 (说实话,这次在他的 OG 帖子上更易于消化,所以我建议大家阅读一下)
Akilesh Potti
Akilesh Potti8月27日 07:19
i am once again here to say agent discovery & registry hell is one of the least impactful things to focus on that for whatever reason keeps nerd sniping cracked ppl...most "mid" solutions for it are good enough and "better" solutions barely move the needle either you: 1) actually take your 'thought experiment' to its sci-fi logical conclusion wrt "autonomous" + "trustless" agents and make them a first class citizen by enshrining the {fdn model, tool use, etc.} components of an agent directly into the chain* (we do this) rather than frankensteining together some off-chain & on-chain stuff as mentioned in 8004 (we did this: infernet) 2) stay grounded in reality & grok how the largest b2b / b2b2c web2 agent startups (sierra, decagon, ...) that are printing real $$$ work. either they're in the camp of single general purpose agent deployed many times or a statically defined computational graph of how specialized agents communicate. this intellectual masturbatory notion of dynamic graphs of agents discovering each other much less useful than you may think if you're in the camp of web2 cos getting real users. if you're not in this camp, and believe in futuristic settings, then you should do 1). anything in between is worst of both worlds imo. *feel free to @ me but your fave L1 today (eth, solana, monad, ...) doesn't allow for enshrined agents. it's also highly non-trivial for them to do this given it's not in line with their fundamental design. expanding the exec clients' vm to handle fwd passes across oss llms, network calls for tool use, etc. is the easy part. hard part is bypassing replicated exec in consensus for non-deterministic behavior w/out ~degrading safety/liveness, fee mech, and how to allow for scheduled txs to exist in a way without borking the perf / end UX for regular txs. wouldn't be possible for us without the gigabrains @noamnisan @n_durvasula @bahrani_maryam and others coming up with some new machinery. reality is most L1s are an exercise in networking-bound settings...we're in an exec-bound one.
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